Debating the impact of social media on politics, Peter's recent review of Game Change 2: Double Down, and the rapidly-developing 2016 presidential race.
Peter Hamby:he probably won't ever win them over
Ryan Wilson:Obama's managed to appear more open just by being accessible in a controlled way -- i.e. releasing news on instagram.
Jeff Smith:so look
Peter Hamby:good to be here. lata.
Tom Lorenzo:What's with all the snark? Really? Is it being used to counter the "all reporters are in the tank" narrative?
Jeff Smith:and arguably violated the Hatch Act
Jeff Smith:i do too
Peter Hamby:but even people who disagree with him kinda like him. hell, i know 2 Ds who voted for him in NJ
Peter Hamby:in hindsight he regrets it
Jeff Smith:the more young reporters tweet snark abt everything happening on the campaign and bus...
Peter Hamby:in '04
Peter Hamby:it was a vague comment, i think more about single moms
Jeff Smith:jeb did that?
Peter Hamby:uh. yes.
Tom Lorenzo:@ Blake: Yup, read it this morning, actually... great insight on what is, well, great insight.
Peter Hamby:in that spin room
Jeff Smith:what a travesty that is.
Jeff Smith:explain the reference there peter
Jeff Smith:so it seems like a vicicous cyckle
Jeff Smith:tom, i'm not sure that's the reason...i just think it';s fun and reporters are smart and bored
Peter Hamby:no, Obama is not. hardly.
Jeff Smith:the only other person who might beat him inthe beer test is O'Malley
Jeff Smith:and even saying he'd have taken that $1 dollar of tax hikes for $10 of deficit reduction deal
Jeff Smith:one reason you're a great reporter is how you actually love spending time talking to voters.activists etc and how that feel comes off in your reporting
Peter Hamby:again, you can argue that some of the strategic moves in the book that were imbued with such drama weren't as important as portrayed
Peter Hamby:no way
Jeff Smith:but primaries are the types of campaigns where campaign effects are STRONGEST
Peter Hamby:counterpoint: George W. Bush got rolled in his debates. and still won
Peter Hamby:Cutter and Plouffe couldn't have fled fast enough
Peter Hamby:but that's a bit of a misunderstanding, i think
Jordan Birnbaum:George W. Bush didn't win. He became president, but he didn't win.
Jordan Birnbaum:Do you think Twitter is diminishing our capacity as an electorate to think beyond 140 characters? Have we lost the capacity for nuanced and layered thinking?
Peter Hamby:i talked to a Romney guy the other day
Peter Hamby:was emailing me all day about crap that other people were saying on twitter
Jeff Smith:i think three debates like that seriously hampers their GOTV efforts
Jeff Smith:what were the old incentives/behaviors
Peter Hamby:and have a voice
Peter Hamby:right, which in terms of media disruption, might as well have been the Sixties
Jeff Smith:a lot was
Peter Hamby:yes, and so do they. at least the ones i talked to. there was some regret about it.
Jeff Smith:you and i have been saying that for a year
Jeff Smith:so did romney and he got the nod
Peter Hamby:haha. i think reporters are still snarky. so are you! and anyone on twitter
Jeff Smith:when i was in the Mo senate, homeschoolers were some of the best advocates. incredably politicall engaged
Peter Hamby:yeah look
Jeff Smith:he was out there last year on immig
Peter Hamby:who's going to get better coverage? HRC surrounded by Secret Service and a horde of aides? or an insurgent candidate holding court on his/her campaign bus for hours?
Jeff Smith:yes, go ahead
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Jeff Smith:yep - f*ing absurd Jordan
Ryan Wilson:true, i know the white house political reporter for politico... 26!
Peter Hamby:yes, he told reporters yelling Qs at Mitt to "shove it"
Peter Hamby:and HRC taking money from Private Equity and interest groups who oppose Obamacare?
Andrei Berman:how to critically read Silver, et al
Peter Hamby:i'm glad i didn't have twitter in 2008, because i would have been guilty of the same things
Jeff Smith:I know that The Fix appreciates your original voice
Jeff Smith:so you're trying to say the room wasn't as leaky as the Obama or Romney campaigns?
Jeff Smith:and then this dude named Rick Gorka on the Romney campaign got pretty frustrated one day...
Jordan Birnbaum:If we end up with a Clinton-Bush election in 2016, let's just start calling them the Tudors and The Yorks...
Peter Hamby:both in a primary and general
Jeff Smith:how do you think she's adjusting to the new media enviro?
Peter Hamby:sweet. go.
Jeff Smith:and vulnerable in a general for structural reasons
Jeff Smith:no downside at all. damn it would be fun to cover, huh?
Peter Hamby:but Rand will play there, and who knows who else will
Peter Hamby:i do think CC is a rare political talent
Jeff Smith:so look, let me close up by spending the last 5-10 mins here on some questions for how this stuff might change
Peter Hamby:but like, Newt in the museum in Chicago, just wandering around, at the height of his campaign?
Peter Hamby:catching govs -- asking them "What did he say in there?"
Jeff Smith:it's hard to get data on primary campaigns
Peter Hamby:caught night flight back last night. almost missed my plane because George W. Bush made a surprise appearance at the RGA event
Jeff Smith:Hey Peter
Peter Hamby:he even told me in the paper, when i asked him what advice he would give to his successor on the road in 2016, that he wished he had fought for reporters more
Jordan Birnbaum:He might regret saying it, but the sentiment behind it was real...
Jeff Smith:like a fart in church huh?
Tom Lorenzo:He was certainly awful in that first debate. No question about it. And when it was supposed to be a "strength," that certainly caused pause.
Jeff Smith:look buddy, we gotta wrap up...but you've been great and i am so happy to see all your success the last few months with your GHarvard study and DD review and the rest of your solid reporting
Jeff Smith:what's up buddy? you just coming back from phoenix?
Peter Hamby:but my friend scott conroy, wo writes for realclearpolitics
Peter Hamby:and they all had pat answers, "great lunch" .. "cool conversation" etc
Ryan Wilson:Here's Peter's review in the Washington Post, BTW: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/review-double-down-on-the-2012-election-by-mark-halperin-and-john-heilemann/2013/11/01/8bf4f050-3fdd-11e3-a751-f032898f2dbc_story.html
Peter Hamby:but yeah
Peter Hamby:but why not spend a year eating ice cream and hanging out with bikers and marching in parades and talking about his legacy on a debate stage?
Peter Hamby:that people like to look forward, not backward
Jeff Smith:this seeming tension/disconnect b/w a lot of academics and reporters
Peter Hamby:scottsdale, home of TheDirty.com, I believe
Peter Hamby:and he gave a speech before a group of socon activists
Peter Hamby:"sort of"
Peter Hamby:but it was such a specific kind of election
Peter Hamby:the candidate was sheltered, hidden from reporters. and they had their reasons. but with nothing to write on, if you were stuck on the bus or the plane, you were left with a "news hole" filled by mundane observations
Peter Hamby:oh yeah
Jeff Smith:with regard to whether campaign evenets matter much: if Obama debates 3 times like the 1st debate, does he win?
Jeff Smith:and how it relates to the current warp speed at which media moved
Peter Hamby:so he needs NH
Peter Hamby:well, there wasn't much of a readout at all. a few of us - Shush Walshe from ABC, Zeke Miller from TIME, David Drucker from the Examiner - AP's Ken Thomas - were waiting by the elevators
Jeff Smith:i have never seen young people as down as i did after that first debate. You couldn't have gotten those college students to go canvass after that first debate if you'd promised a beer, a shot, and a naked girl/guy behind every door
Peter Hamby:like, he may realize he can't win
Jeff Smith:i mean, what, are you trying to write off 47% of the population or something???
Jeff Smith:which piece of the research?
Jeff Smith:i know there are horded are single women waiting for that part
Andrei Berman:Ruby Cramer is here. She is a first rate reporter.
Peter Hamby:such a disconnect between the image and the man
Peter Hamby:i don't see how he doesn't run
Jeff Smith:which doesn't lend itself to study
Jeff Smith:and probably costs them a couple close states
Peter Hamby:but turns out Christie, who became RGA chair yesterday, invited Bush during his recent visit to Dallas
Jeff Smith:it's like saying you're going to be a Miner but you'd prefer not to dig.
Jeff Smith:based on the time you spend w repub activists, can christie win them over?
Blake Ian:Hey all! Anyone here read Peter's review of Game Change 2: Double Down?
Jeff Smith:and that the election is largely determined long before e day
Jeff Smith:who somehow doesn't even drink!
Jeff Smith:but isn't this just about the first explicitly political thing W has donw in 5 years, other than the brief immig speech at the library dedication
Peter Hamby:lord knows too many in the press don't know how to read a poll
Peter Hamby:well, you know more about academia than i, because you are a noted and celebrated academic
Peter Hamby:but i think it was in that Joe Hagan NYMAG piece
Peter Hamby:i think you have seen over the last five years
Peter Hamby:haha. not even. Bush requested it be a secret, and definitely closed press
Peter Hamby:i think Jeb, while deeply respected in Republican circles, will have problems firing up the base
Peter Hamby:i also think
Jeff Smith:let's talk about his sort of re-emergence this year
Jeff Smith:Oh, go F** yourself, Peter
Peter Hamby:but this serves it up for reporters
Jeff Smith:because you seemed to have pretty decent relations with the Republican campaigns last cycle
Jeff Smith:yes, one of the few
Jeff Smith:yep, they're already selling popcorn in NH for the Rand/Christie battles. two guys who kinda sorta just don't give a f***
Jeff Smith:let me put you on the spot here
Jeff Smith:my first primary for Congress was 10 people
Peter Hamby:i only went out in the bubble a few times but we had a nice enough relationship
Jeff Smith:HRC def not acting in the way one worried about her left flank would
Jeff Smith:i watched all three debates with crowds of several hundred people
Peter Hamby:is that it's a meritocracy
Peter Hamby:which was, basically, zilch
Peter Hamby:but most of my relationships were pre-existing
Andrei Berman:what i don't like about the data reporting is that some of the data devotees sort of dismissively assume that the public needn't understand their findings in order for them to be relevant. I think some stats prof could make a killing teaching laymen
samm hallo:Any girls here from Charlotte ?
Peter Hamby:is that a lot of reporters are really young
Peter Hamby:people rag on Stu Stevens
Peter Hamby:right, i have to think they understand the shifts in the media since 2008
Peter Hamby:history says you have to win at least one of the first few primaries
Jeff Smith:LOL ya right
Jeff Smith:i mean
Peter Hamby:dude, Mitt Romney -- MITT ROMNEY -- almost won Iowa
Peter Hamby:the larger argument is that the web, and twitter, specifically, have changed the incentives and behaviors of political journalists
Peter Hamby:like, the other day
Peter Hamby:i also think there's just some DNA differences here
Jeff Smith:others are beginning to
Peter Hamby:i really like the emergence of science and analytics as tools to measure campaigns
Jeff Smith:i have never understood pols who won't f*cking ask for $
Peter Hamby:haha, yes
Jeff Smith:has some roots in the incentives of academia
Peter Hamby:and they value authenticity
Jeff Smith:i can't remember, did Double down have the stuff about michelle brown, his aide he put in charge of FOIA requests and also loaned $46k to?
Jeff Smith:If we end up with a Clinton-Bush election in 2016, let's just start calling them the Tudors and The Yorks...
Jeff Smith:maybe Biden.
Peter Hamby:yes, jeb
Peter Hamby:but anyone who thinks reporters covering the White House are in the tank are sorely mistaken. that's a pretty toxic relationship over there
Jeff Smith:and what's the most consequential nugget?
Jeff Smith:It's not like Obama has been an open book...
Peter Hamby:to use them as an example, as i do in the paper
Jeff Smith:academics get promoted by publishing
Peter Hamby:i can't imagine covering a campaign from a coffee shop in green point
Jeff Smith:and mccain etc
Jeff Smith:yep, reporters seemed to get almost no access to candidates or even senior staff, on the record
Peter Hamby:people who gorge themselves on polls, and books, and news in their free time
Ryan Wilson:it was the altitude, guys. the altitude.
Peter Hamby:but to an audience of christian conservatives, it was not a good move
Peter Hamby:here's the deal
Jeff Smith:does that mean he can't recover? those are three big issues to be at odds with base
Jeff Smith:because it appears E-dubs doesn't wanna be that person
Jeff Smith:whoops, 3 weeks ago now i guess.
Peter Hamby:i just think putting people who LOVE this stuff on the beat is a simple fix
Peter Hamby:yes. yes.
Jeff Smith:yeah i went and watched him last week in my hometown, mostly dem audience. and they loved him.
Peter Hamby:but the romney camp really limited access to their guy ,and it hurt them i think
Jeff Smith:and do you think they do?
Peter Hamby:as demonstrated in NJ
Jeff Smith:whoa that's interesting - you think that is related to the recent buzz about Jeb leaning towards going in '16?
Peter Hamby:well, it was pretty clear from the 2012 campaign that relations between the press and the campaigns were pretty sour
Peter Hamby:yeah, i do
Jeff Smith:and do you think romeny got worse coverage than O because of more tension b/w staff and reporters?
Peter Hamby:John Sides (MonkeyCage) tweeted at me about that
Peter Hamby:i think you can make that case in 2012, to a point
Jeff Smith:nah, i think she wants to change policy, i'm not convinced she wants to be president
Peter Hamby:a lot of was baked in
Peter Hamby:who pointed to the exit poll number about how Obama "cares about people like you" as the main reason Mitt lost
Peter Hamby:i saw that in a movie, i think?
Peter Hamby:there is room for numbers-crunching and personality in political coverage
Peter Hamby:a premium on speed, scoops, etc ... and campaigns have shut their candidates down as a consequence
Jeff Smith:data is most readily available - like the National election Study, etc - about prez campaigns
Peter Hamby:true, right
Peter Hamby:07-08 yeah. covering 2012 was a much more rewarding experience because my sources were so much better, and i knew people from before
Tom Lorenzo:Fantastic stuff, gents! Thanks for doing this
Peter Hamby:and i was to an extent in 2012
Jeff Smith:but people expected him to get rolled in debates
Jeff Smith:ok we'll get back to your dating ife at the end
Peter Hamby:actually, funny you should ask. when i sent a note around CNN that 43 had showed up a bunch of folks here asked the same
Peter Hamby:had to stay and try to get a readout from various governors
Peter Hamby:if another news org breaks something. cool. confirm it. good for them.
Jeff Smith:he did not come off well. at all.
Peter Hamby:god bless him
Peter Hamby:i don't think the same dynamic exists the other way around
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Jeff Smith:What's with all the snark? Really? Is it being used to counter the "all reporters are in the tank" narrative?
Trey Williams:@Peter, Im going to start a new blog "Tight Incumbent Coverage"
Jeff Smith:because the ups and downs of a presidential campaign are just, sort of illusory
Jeff Smith:noted and celebrated for being the rare felon to get a full time academic job this side of Bill ayres
Peter Hamby:crossover appeal
Peter Hamby:i actually wasn't familiar with the Madoff connection, that he lobbied for a firm with Madoff on the board (before his scandal)
Jeff Smith:and you know what - given the percentage of districts that are more than 55% one way or the other, increasingly out policymakers are determined in primaries, not in uncompetitive geberals
Andrei Berman:Sorry to put Ruby on blast by the way. Just really enjoyed her candor in the Michael Hastings NY Mag piece and figured I'd note it.
Jeff Smith:you think that regret has resulted in a less snarky twitter for reporters? seems to be it's been approx as successful as the RNC autopsy
Peter Hamby:and like i said, internet news consumers appreciate authenticity from reporters and pundits
Jeff Smith:apparently some of the ppl watching agree with you there peter
Peter Hamby:the loud voices in the R primary who love Ted Cruz, etc
Peter Hamby:i have a hard time seeing it. though i think Hillary is wildly more vulnerable than people assume
Peter Hamby:and that will be scrutinized
Peter Hamby:but nate silver is so damn dismissive of traditional reporters
Peter Hamby:a larger point which i think people miss
Peter Hamby:and caucuses are difficult to survey of course
Jeff Smith:because i didn't even try to compete for 50% of the voters
Peter Hamby:but i think its important for the country that reporters are able to figure out what makes these people go
Jeff Smith:his book seemed to flop
Peter Hamby:thanks amigo. or as Reince Priebus would say, "Thanks, pal."
Jeff Smith:so let's talk about Jeb
Jeff Smith:so jeb
Jeff Smith:but maybe he'll start having more beers with them
Jeff Smith:he wished he fought for reporters, internally, to get them more/better access
Peter Hamby:and she was roundly mocked by the political class about that one
Jeff Smith:so that's the scene that opens Double Down
Jeff Smith:Thanks for coming by to Tawk
Peter Hamby:which everyone should read
Peter Hamby:do you think E-Dubs wants it?
Jeff Smith:thots on that?
Peter Hamby:hosted by Ralph Reed
Peter Hamby:in fact, the most negative media platform
Jeff Smith:thots on that as underlying reason for disconnect about whether or not campaigns matter - acadmics tend to most often study the types of campaign in which campaigns matter least?
Peter Hamby:yeah good point
Ryan Wilson:agreed, @andrei. hey ruby!
Peter Hamby:downside to that?
Jordan Birnbaum:they shouldn't have to worry about editing news for fear of losing sponsors, either...
Peter Hamby:she is mentioned, though not by name
Peter Hamby:but you'll have some kind of scoop or great story the next day
Jeff Smith:last time HRC ran was 2008
Jeff Smith:and O is anywhere near 40 then structurally it's a very, very difficult race for any Dem
Jeff Smith:so, some political scientists might argue that it really isn't all that important for reporters to be there on the bus in a prez election after all
Jeff Smith:Obama was expected to be eloquent and in command - leftover images from 08
Jeff Smith:i remember she had a silly tweet about the woman who swam the english channel at an inopportune time
Jeff Smith:but he doesn't quite show that side to voters.
Peter Hamby:look, in a general, i get that things have to be locked down to an extent
Peter Hamby:and i think campaigns are so much more predictable now than they used to be
Jeff Smith:i mean, if the economy cintinues to sputter along
Peter Hamby:this is not political science at all
Jordan Birnbaum:This was definitely a theme during the last season of The Newsroom….
Peter Hamby:you saw how quickly the DGA pounced on the appearance
Peter Hamby:im interested in the calendar for Christie, though
Jeff Smith:vulnerable in a primary on wall st issues and being one of the most hawkish ppl in the WH for 4 years
Peter Hamby:yeah that was wildly ill-timed
Peter Hamby:and he wouldn't resist a jab at Hillary
Jeff Smith:aren't 40+% of the kids inthe country born out of wedlock?
Jeff Smith:what could improve media coverage of politics?
Peter Hamby:and twitter was the outlet
Jeff Smith:i'm snarky?
Jordan Birnbaum:Elizabeth Warren for President '16!!!!
Peter Hamby:he isn't for marriage equality
Peter Hamby:and some of that was already out in the public domain, the reseach that Romney's vetters dug up
Peter Hamby:which seemed to a mixed message, because Jeb has, at least conceptually, been a Hispanic-friendly face for the GOP
Peter Hamby:i was like, dude, take a break
Rachael Workman:i'm shocked by that response.
Jeff Smith:for one thing - they happen at all diff times throughout the country
Peter Hamby:so the notion of McCain doing his Straight Talk thing in 2012 is, well, pretty notional
Peter Hamby:think about the media environment in 2002
Jeff Smith:but jeb
Peter Hamby:that's the argument in The Gamble
Jordan Birnbaum:It's not like Obama has been an open book...
Jeff Smith:and you argue in your review that - while a lot of the funbdmanetals are of course baked in - people need to know how these "strange and wily men" who think they're up to running the country handle adversity and pressure
Peter Hamby:yes, but that was partly the romney campaign's fault
Jeff Smith:i knew being for gay marriage and open borders i wasn't getting people in rural missouri
Peter Hamby:so good.
Jeff Smith:of the message
Peter Hamby:unless they have Stumptown
Jeff Smith:and what was the readout from the other govs? the republican party seems to have moved on pretty quickly from him
Peter Hamby:news orgs need to not think they have to cover everything
Peter Hamby:because its impossible, you get spread so thin
Peter Hamby:but those gut impressions come from stories, and events, and behaviors covered by reporters
Jeff Smith:and do you think the party has moved at all on immig? they at least seem to be marginalizing the steve kings of the world who make ridic comments
Peter Hamby:a lot of hacks get weeded out in favor of smart, hungry folks
Jeff Smith:you friend ly with him?
Peter Hamby:look, the Romney campaign thought, in terms of access, that they only had to grant as much access as Obama was giving to reporters
Peter Hamby:fire away
Peter Hamby:why Bachmann having those home school lists was so crucial
Jeff Smith:because he seemed to back away from former support for comp immig reform just as the rest of the party, in the wake of november 12, was coming towards it...
Peter Hamby:because Obama had won a national election. Romney still had to surpass a threshold with voters and reporters
Jeff Smith:which are - arguably - the least susceptible to campaign effects - and have the most baked in
Peter Hamby:but who beats Christie in the beer test?
Jeff Smith:so does jeb just needed a really crowded field of flawed candidates like romney benefited from?
Jordan Birnbaum:independent media without a profit incentive!!! that's how you improve it, IMO.
Jeff Smith:he did
Jeff Smith:which you wrote a spectacular review of in the WaPo a few weeks back
Peter Hamby:but from a press perspective, they aren't super helpful
Jeff Smith:from 08
Peter Hamby:that's a gut thing, which can be measured
Jeff Smith:to publish you usually, tho not always, need good dats
Jeff Smith:like Howard dean, at first
Peter Hamby:and made a comment about supporting non-traditional families
Jeff Smith:over in Poland, I believe, during a romney visit to a holy site
Jeff Smith:hey Ruby!
Jeff Smith:so is that cory booker?
Peter Hamby:its hard to compare, because covering an incumbent is so different. staff/security is so tight.
Peter Hamby:but i don't think there was anyone in Chicago, as much as they projected the "we got this" vibe after the campaign, who wasn't freaking out after Denver
Jeff Smith:so look, jeb appears out of step with his party on a set of issues now
Jeff Smith:speaking of LOVING this stuff, what were your 3 fave moments in Double Down? and what one moment will actually be consequential going fwd?
Peter Hamby:i mean, the scene-setting in the book is great
Jeff Smith:is it in chris chsitie's research book?
Jeff Smith:u think 2012 reporters were too snarky on twitter?
Peter Hamby:no one
Jeff Smith:I agree. what do you think the academic community would say?
Jeff Smith:the more campaigns hide candidates and try to control every aapspect of the sg
Peter Hamby:it fell so flat
Jeff Smith:so i just tried to win 50% of the 50% i could reach, since i thot 25% could win for me - he could have same model.
Jeff Smith:and she's got phillippe reines firing off nasty emails to TPM/etc that get mocked
Peter Hamby:but he was always chewing this rag during the campaign
Peter Hamby:pew has measured this. twitter is just a more negative space
Jeff Smith:oh wait
Peter Hamby:who rise based on their reporting
Peter Hamby:yes, more access, or just access to basic information, like, "Where is Romney staying tomorrow?"
Peter Hamby:in which one of her advisers said "Hillary doesn't make the same mistake twice"
Peter Hamby:for whatever reason, i wasn't on twitter very much. i was busy. and i felt a bit happier about life.
Peter Hamby:and he is right, i suspect
Peter Hamby:because cranky reporters don't do anyone any good
Peter Hamby:increasingly, though, that task doesn't happen on the bus
Jeff Smith:well not marriage equality but" supporting non-traditional families'
Peter Hamby:yeah and he also made a remark about how hispanics are "more fertile"
Peter Hamby:i loved the Huntsman stuff
Peter Hamby:most consequential is the Christie stuff, by far
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Jeff Smith:so, before we go into Jeb, give us a quick synopsis
Peter Hamby:Christie will have the $$$ and org to last
Jeff Smith:you write in your paper about how it's sort of impossible to think that being kept tot in the dark wont affect coverage adversely
Jeff Smith:thats because you were in Phoenix and you're a single dude
Peter Hamby:and are now on TV, etc
Peter Hamby:and then i saw him at a Faith and Freedom conference this spring
Peter Hamby:The Onion needs to hire a full time Biden embed
Jeff Smith:because he represents a phenomenon that is pretty relevant to stuff you wrote abt in your excellent Harvard study "Did Twitter Kill the Boys on the Bus"
Peter Hamby:but in a crowded primary, who cares?
Peter Hamby:yeah, look
Jeff Smith:i wouldn't have run if there were less than 7 in the race
Peter Hamby:and while they respect the Clintons, they don't put them on a pedestal
Peter Hamby:and if RNC shortens the calendar, which they want to do, an early frontrunner can win the nod
Jeff Smith:marriage equality
Rachael Workman:Can't say i disagree, @Jordan.
Peter Hamby:but if things go long, like they did in '12
Ryan Wilson:they didn't let you in?
Peter Hamby:but also his last statewide race was 2002
Peter Hamby:concentrate on your strengths, have confidence in your editorial judgments
Peter Hamby:i just enjoy getting out in the country and engage with people on the ground
Peter Hamby:Howdy Jeff
Peter Hamby:one thing i love about twitter