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Kelly Carlin:Hello Tawkers! I hope you are warm and cozy on this Winter's evening.
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Jennifer Finnell:Doing our best!
Kelly Carlin:Doing our best!
Kelly Carlin:You can't ask for more than that!
Lucy Dyer:ooo hello you two!!
Kelly Carlin:I can see that Howard isn't quite here yet.
Kelly Carlin:ooo hello you two!!
Kelly Carlin:Hey Lucy! Always glad to have you here.
Lucy Dyer:and as for keeping warm,just been twerking my ass off!! :-)
Lucy Dyer:thanks Kelly!
Kelly Carlin:I wanted to continue the conversation Howard and I were having about the 60s…one of the last things we talked about in our last Tawk, was how we are nature's dream machine.
Michael DiVito:Fix the individual & you fix the World.
Lucy Dyer:you gotta have a dream of some kind
Ten M:Yes, interesting topic and description
Jennifer Finnell:I missed the last one...maybe you could start with a summary, if you don't mind?
Lucy Dyer:cos you know...if you don't have a dream,how you gonna make a dream come true?
howard bloom:hi. :)
Kelly Carlin:Howard is here!
Kelly Carlin:There you are darling.
Lucy Dyer:*waves* hey Howard!!
howard bloom:my lord, i am a cyberklutz :)
Kelly Carlin:lol Nah. It can be a bit confusing.
Jim Munro:computers make our lives easier
howard bloom:what has the talking been on so for?
Kelly Carlin:I was just saying that at the end of our last talk
Lucy Dyer:only if you are about 5 years old,Jim hehe
Kelly Carlin:we were talking about how we are nature's dream machine….
Kelly Carlin:I just love that notion.
Michael DiVito:Good evening Kelly,how are you doing?
howard bloom:and i've been thinking of how
howard bloom:bringing back some of the spirit of the sixties
howard bloom:relates to that!
howard bloom:we live in an age that has imprisoned us
howard bloom:in a new victorianism
howard bloom:the victorianism of the 1950s repressed sex
howard bloom:the new victorianism represses hope
howard bloom:destroys dreams
Kelly Carlin:Oh, how I love you.
howard bloom:it's eco-extremismi
Jim Munro:if you want vivid dreams you could try taking some melatonin before bedtime
howard bloom:the shirnking planet
howard bloom:the end of resources
Lucy Dyer:or cheese
Ten M:Having listened to a few hours of Terence McKenna recently, and watching Philip K Dick's "Matrix" press conference, I wonder. That's all I just wonder more about the nature of reality. In addition to the above, I'm v. familiar with meditation, buddi
howard bloom:the dystopias of movies like gravity, ender's game, and elysium
howard bloom:for 50 years science fiction has gone from light to darkness
howard bloom:and confined us in a perceptual prison
howard bloom:convincing us that boundaries surround and we can't escape them
Jim Munro:used to watch 6 episodes of Seinfeld then go to bed dreaming I was on an adventure with the gang
Lucy Dyer:yeah where have all mind expanding drugs gone?
howard bloom:convincing them that we are a sinful civilization and deserve to die
Kelly Carlin:And yet, the 60s was what taught us about how to take care of our finite resources…
Ten M:PK Dick could have had a role in that!
howard bloom:convincing us that our civilization is, in fact, dying
Lucy Dyer:ha! yeah he could!
Kelly Carlin:Remember the movie Silent Running?
howard bloom:it's ironic because in the 60s one key resource seemed endless, kelly
howard bloom:our dreamspace
howard bloom:our vast new frontiers
Kelly Carlin:Yes. so true.
howard bloom:our ability to make new frontiers with the gift of new technologies
howard bloom:and with a spirit of adventure
Lucy Dyer:is the fact we kinda changed in the 60's cos we got colour TV?
howard bloom:yes the new victiorianism
Kelly Carlin:JFK and the Moon landing.
howard bloom:enviro-nihilism was born in the 60s too
Lucy Dyer:been going down hill since then
howard bloom:actually, kelly, it was born in the savage and repressive 50s
howard bloom:yes the spirit of reaching for something not because it is easy
howard bloom:but because it is hard
Lucy Dyer:btw guys,click those thumbs or kelly and howard wont see anyones comments
howard bloom:is the very core of the sixties we need to revive
howard bloom:and the kennedyesque sense that we not only have new frontiers to explore
howard bloom:but something beyond kennedy
howard bloom:the realization that we MAKE new frontiers
howard bloom:the way we once made fiction in 1710
howard bloom:the way me made the internet in the 1970s
howard bloom:and expanded it into a new frontier of real estagte
Kelly Carlin:What do you think created this despair and limited thinking?
Gary Shapiro:Most science geeks argue that Sci-Fi has expanded humanity (e.g. the benevolent equality of the Roddenberry future)... please explain how you see it as limiting and dark.
Jennifer Finnell:every great advance starts with someone's crazy idea...
howard bloom:it's hard to say
Kelly Carlin:Is it education? media? or that we are less "religious" and more material?
howard bloom:in the 1950s i was voted the head of the programming committee for my high school
Ten M:I don't know if the core of the 60's per se is what we should be trying to revive, it was of its time and many socio-politico factors were in play
Kelly Carlin:Most science geeks argue that Sci-Fi has expanded humanity (e.g. the benevolent equality of the Roddenberry future)... please explain how you see it as limiting and dark.
howard bloom:i was in charge of and mc'd five school assemblies per week
Michael DiVito:The meeting at Jekyll Island in1913
howard bloom:i agree, gary
Jim Munro:Young people can't get an education now without carrying the banks around on their backs for the rest of their life - hard to have nice dreams like that
howard bloom:sci fi expanded humanity until the 1960s
howard bloom:when it become dystopic
howard bloom:and dystopian sci fi rules in our movies today
howard bloom:our movies and our fiction map our dreamscape
howard bloom:that's the great advantage of sci fi
Kelly Carlin:Maybe the dystopia is our way of trying to balance a feared arrogance we have about "playing God."
howard bloom:but when all the dreams are nightmares and they tell us that our basic tool
howard bloom:cvilization is evil
Jennifer Finnell:That's a great insight, Kelly.
howard bloom:we can destroy a future instead of build it
howard bloom:balance, that's the key word, kelly
howard bloom:you need a balance of gloom and optimism
howard bloom:let one get out of control and take ovver
Robby Reider:HELLO! Feelin' very warm this Winter's evening, and I hope I do this right. First time, be gentle.
Jennifer Finnell:Balance of life & death...
Kelly Carlin:And things feel imbalanced.
Lucy Dyer:why cant you have a "nice" dream when around you is failing? i say you can have a dream,anywhere,anytime,no matter if you are rich or not,or are in good health or not....
howard bloom:and you are in trouble
John Baker:theres nothing with self-education, jim. the perception of necessity for a diploma to express ones capability is flawed to the extreme
howard bloom:they are vastly imbalanced toward gloom
Ten M:I like that. They document our common collective unconscious to a degree
howard bloom:there is no exuberance on the left and none on the right
howard bloom:it's time for a new invasion
howard bloom:of bohemians
howard bloom:like us in the sixties
howard bloom:in How I Accidentally Started the Sixties
Jennifer Finnell:Is this why people think we optimistic types are delusional? lol
howard bloom:can i go back to your question about where this pinched philosophy came from?
Kelly Carlin:But, I have to tell you that it feels irresponsible to dream…I am a Gen-Xer after all.
Kelly Carlin:Yes, of course.
howard bloom:i first ran across it in 1959 or 1960
Lucy Dyer:quite possibly,jennifer
howard bloom:amazing, kelly
howard bloom:irresponsible to dream
Jennifer Finnell:I think it's irresponsible NOT to dream!
howard bloom:there are dreamers out there
Jim Munro:college is a lot more than a piece of paper - friends, meeting amazing academic types
Jhon Sanders:Dystopian sci-fi has the value of unfolding possible futures and their ramifications for our consideration, the paths of which we ought not pursue. It's an aspect of the group mind sorting out what's what. It does have potential value.
howard bloom:and they are the very people we championed in the sixties
howard bloom:but they are in technology
howard bloom:snapchat's founders
howard bloom:amazon's founder
howard bloom:google's founders
Kelly Carlin:I think it's irresponsible NOT to dream!
howard bloom:all the founders were kids
howard bloom:i agree with jennifer
howard bloom:it is irresponsible to kill dreams
howard bloom:it is a mass murder of a future
Gary Shapiro:People feel smart when they focus on the doom/gloom... I agree it's time for our literary pendulum to swing back. Hope takes more courage than despair.
howard bloom:our future
Kelly Carlin:I drank my father's kool-aid a bit too much. ;-)
howard bloom:but all the techno founders are kids
Kelly Carlin:People feel smart when they focus on the doom/gloom... I agree it's time for our literary pendulum to swing back. Hope takes more courage than despair.
Jennifer Finnell:Amen to that, Mr. Shapiro!
howard bloom:21 years old in the case of snapchat when they started their business
Jim Munro:well yeah, let's sit around worshiping jillionaires that will improve our lives
howard bloom:you are smack dab on target, gary
Kelly Carlin:So, the youth are dreaming! This is good.
howard bloom:gloom makes people feel smart
Ten M:Things are hard for the youth in this self created and self perpetuated reality. They need a good degree from a good university before the company I work for would interview them. This wasn't so much the case pre 2008
howard bloom:yes, the kids of stanford and more
howard bloom:they are not just dreaming
howard bloom:they are achieving
howard bloom:there is a new toy
howard bloom:it's fabulous
Jennifer Finnell:Is it really gloom that makes people feel smart? Or is it just easier to master despair than it is to master hope?
howard bloom:it's called power up
Kelly Carlin:Power up.
howard bloom:you make a paper airplane out of a standard 8.5 x 11
Lucy Dyer:gloom is easier to handle than happyness is
howard bloom:sheet of paper
Robby Reider:I'd be doomed in the 1950s
howard bloom:you attach a device with an electrically powered propellor
Jim Munro:self-actualizing "achievers" - if they'd only collude to pay outrageous low taxes - wait that's the system we've got
howard bloom:you launch the plane and, get this
howard bloom:you control it with you smart phone
howard bloom:the project has raised $500 million on kickstarter
howard bloom:to complete the module that allows control via your smart phone
Lucy Dyer:jim,i see you dont have a dream. did you ever have one? can you at least let the young folk of today try and have one? :-)
howard bloom:here's the deal
Gary Shapiro:Now we just have to teach all the millenial kids what "paper" is.
howard bloom:this toy has two vital elements
howard bloom:flight and control
Kelly Carlin:Now we just have to teach all the millenial kids what "paper" is.
howard bloom:you ability to control it with your smart phone
Kelly Carlin:lol Gary.
howard bloom:these are two elements vital to your mind
howard bloom:to your biology
howard bloom:and to society
howard bloom:yes, i hate paper
howard bloom:but i'd use it for a plane :)
Lucy Dyer:"irony = drawing a tree on a sheet of paper"
Jim Munro:me I did ok, my dream is for young people to live free and not be beasts of burden for a corrupt system
howard bloom:it's hard to type out the stories of why control is so vital
howard bloom:it's in my book the lucifer principle
Kelly Carlin:"irony = drawing a tree on a sheet of paper"
howard bloom:and the spirit of adventure and dream, along with a lot of humor, is in How I Accidentally Started the Sixties
Jennifer Finnell:control is an illusion, though one we all entertain.
howard bloom:amazing, chop one tree down
howard bloom:make another :)
howard bloom:good point, lucy
howard bloom:but a sense of control perks up your mind and your immune system
Kelly Carlin:So Howard…what is the most courageous thing we can do as ordinary citizens in this time of dystopic despair?
howard bloom:and flight is the very essence of the sort of dream that has been peeled away from us and made verboten
Lucy Dyer:not many of us have self control.....probably me included
howard bloom:do what the guys at snap chat did
Ten M:I agree, it would have been good to hear you discussing aurally, this is a bit like a chat room. No offence!! It's cool still
howard bloom:love your fellow humans enough to put yourself in their shoes
Jennifer Finnell:I used to dream I was flying all the time. I miss those dreams...
howard bloom:which means exploring yourself
howard bloom:find something you would desperately want and need
howard bloom:then make it
howard bloom:and try to get others to buy it
howard bloom:or to adopt it
Kelly Carlin:So ask the question? What is needed now?
howard bloom:you and gary do that, kelly
howard bloom:you are comic writers
howard bloom:that's such a vital soul and fantasy feeder
howard bloom:in fact How I Accidentally Started the Sixties, my new book
howard bloom:is totally overwhelmingly comedic
howard bloom:so all the thought food in there
howard bloom:and there is a ton of it
howard bloom:comes in comedy-coating
Kelly Carlin:Yes, I'm always trying to figure out what is it that I'm struggling with right now…and I always trust most everyone else is struggling with it too.
Lucy Dyer:i can think a good joke,i just cant say it
howard bloom:that's great
howard bloom:when you look outside yourself
howard bloom:you do it with the mirror of what's inside of you
howard bloom:when you explore deep inside yourself
howard bloom:you find what others are hiding or unable to articulate, too
howard bloom:so comedy is a lifter
Kelly Carlin:You know…dreaming is the only thing that gets one out of bed everyday.
howard bloom:paper airplanes are lifters
howard bloom:comedy is also a warner
howard bloom:yes, having a goal for the day is essential
Kelly Carlin:If we aren't dreaming about breakfast, than we'd never get out of bed.
howard bloom:or you can't get the motivation to put on your socks
Jennifer Finnell:So what's your take on the essence of the "dream machine"? What should we be doing as a society that perhaps we are missing right now?
howard bloom:and having a long term goal
Kelly Carlin:And the future pulls us forward.
howard bloom:that you know others will need
Lucy Dyer:i totally agree with what howard has said. "comedy" got my started on my long road into getting my art out there :-)
howard bloom:and you have meaning in your life overall
howard bloom:a goal for the day and a goal for your life
howard bloom:those are essentials
Jennifer Finnell:@Lucy, me too. If we can't laugh at ourselves...
howard bloom:and a sense that you are working on behalf of somethinb bigger than yourself
Kelly Carlin:It's like you said, we are part of nature…and so even some unknown vague feeling about what the future needs pulls us forward.
howard bloom:but strangely, the soul of that larger something
howard bloom:is deep inside of you
Lucy Dyer:@jennifer. its been hard for me but yeah,i can laugh at myself now
howard bloom:s not what we thing, kelly
Kelly Carlin:So we are ALL.
howard bloom:not at all
howard bloom:we thing nature is some sort of park that needs permanent preservation in just one form
howard bloom:but nature's backbone is change
howard bloom:and self reinvention
Jennifer Finnell:when you get to that point where you've laughed at yourself so much - so ridiculously - that's when you become fearless. keep it up! :)
howard bloom:i could tell you the story of the cosmos' evolution
Jim Munro:self deprecating - yes, self-defecating - no
Kelly Carlin:Nature is not a thing, but a process. And we are in perpetual process.
Ten M:Yes, more empathy is needed, sometimes, we seem to have disconnected with who we are present with, and communication breaks down. Hey, just trying to keep it happy....
howard bloom:from the big bang 13.77 billion years ago
howard bloom:and you'd see a cosmos perpetually overturing and radically reinventing
howard bloom:his self
howard bloom:upheaval beyond belief is mother nature's way
howard bloom:and we are creatures capable of something new
howard bloom:using the pile of protons that is us
howard bloom:to dream to to pre-conceive the change that nature wants out of us
Lucy Dyer:in othere words,jennifer,we control only ourselves. everyone is different,everyone can only control themselves
howard bloom:the utter resculpting, upgrading she wants from all of her stars, galaxies, molecules, and organisms
Lucy Dyer:when you get your own life in control,everything just falls into place
howard bloom:that's were dream comes in
howard bloom:foreseing the upgrade
howard bloom:like dream of flight that's obsessed us for perhaps 200 thousand years
howard bloom:and that we pursued form the days of daedulus and icarus
howard bloom:in 800 bc or so
howard bloom:to leonnard da vinci
Jennifer Finnell:Ahh...we are works in progress! I've always described myself that way, but the cosmic validation is nice!
howard bloom:and lillinethal in the 1900s
howard bloom:all the way up to the wright brothers
howard bloom:who did not invent powered heavier than air flight
howard bloom:that was done in europe
howard bloom:but the europeans could only fly their planes in a straight line
howard bloom:they could not turn
howard bloom:the wright brothers inventing the turning mechanism
howard bloom:wing warping
howard bloom:that you could control with wires
howard bloom:so for 200 thousand years we dreamed and tried and failed
howard bloom:but those tries finally built the machinery that now allows us to fly daily
Jennifer Finnell:...and then we try again. the beauty of human nature!
howard bloom:elon musk at spacex is doing that with space travel
Ten M:what do you guys think of this statement, which sounds a bit holy and whatnot, but the kernel is right there: "Know, verily, that the soul is a sign of God, a heavenly gem whose reality the most learned of men hath failed to grasp, and whose mystery
Kelly Carlin:But how do we know what to ignore and what to pursue? So much seems to need our attention in 2013.
howard bloom:have you followed the space news of the last ten days?
Kelly Carlin:Ahh...we are works in progress! I've always described myself that way, but the cosmic validation is nice!
Kelly Carlin:I have not...
howard bloom:follow your passions
howard bloom:follow your joys
howard bloom:follow your bliss to quote joseph campbell
Kelly Carlin:LIke Joseph Campbell told me 20 years ago.
Lucy Dyer:i dont think there is a right and wrong way,jusy do what YOU feel is right
howard bloom:make what you make the best and what brings forth the joy in you
howard bloom:back to the space news
howard bloom:wow, you met him?
Ten M:"Know, verily, that the soul is a sign of God, a heavenly gem whose reality the most learned of men hath failed to grasp, and whose mystery no mind, however acute, can ever hope to unravel."
howard bloom:ok, space.
Kelly Carlin:no, a friend did...
howard bloom:a week or so ago the indians launched a probe to mars
howard bloom:two days later we launched a mars probe
Ten M:Baha'i (ism?)
Lucy Dyer:but what if you dont believe on GOD,JR?
howard bloom:but there was a huge difference between ours and there's
Jennifer Finnell:@Lucy, I think our feelings are our compass.
howard bloom:do you have any idea of what it was?
howard bloom:the indian probe cost one tenth
Lucy Dyer:@jennifer - yes they are
howard bloom:of the american probe
howard bloom:in other words, for what we were spending
howard bloom:the indians could launch ten probes to mars
howard bloom:not just one
howard bloom:and a few days ago
howard bloom:elon musk of spacex at cape canaveral
howard bloom:launched a 7,000 lb belgain communications satellite into geosynchronous orbit
John Baker:how do you mean compass?
howard bloom:again, what's the difference between a spacex launch
howard bloom:and a standard space-military industrial complex launch?
howard bloom:for the cost of one standard launch on an american, european or russion rocket
howard bloom:the belgian company can launch 3 satellits
Lucy Dyer:the human compass - http://h2g2.com/entry/A87782070 - heres one version...
Chris Pearson:I think the colorful dystopia of a cyberpunk apocalypse may soon be upon us.
Jennifer Finnell:@john, a compass, as in a guide, as in pointing us in the right direction. A moral compass. A happiness compass.
howard bloom:and cover parts of the globe that have never had satellite access before
Kelly Carlin:So, our gov't is no longer capable of moving fast enough or light enough…it is visionaries leading the way.
howard bloom:you got it
howard bloom:elon is like the snap chat kies
Kelly Carlin:It feels like we are all entrepreneurs these days.
howard bloom:he's dedicates his lilfe to dreams
howard bloom:yes, that's what you are force to be in comedya
Jennifer Finnell:Thank goodness for the entrepreneurs! Otherwise we'd all be owned by the "tried and true."
howard bloom:and kelly, you are writing a book
Chris Pearson:What is the difference between an entrepreneur and a philanthropist?
howard bloom:a highly entrepreneurial process
Kelly Carlin:But there are so many who can barely scrape together basics in their life - how might we help THEM dream? This must be solved!
Lucy Dyer:@chris - money
Jim Munro:yes, we're all entrepreneurs now, no more businessmen and women
Kelly Carlin:Young people can't get an education now without carrying the banks around on their backs for the rest of their life - hard to have nice dreams like that
howard bloom:in which you have to take what's deep inside of you and
howard bloom:use it to make a mirror for others
howard bloom:the more accurately you see the hidden yous
Chris Pearson:The same difference between those mars probes, etc.
Kelly Carlin:That is true.
Jennifer Finnell:the "hidden yous". I like that...
howard bloom:the more you will give voice to things your audience has been unable to articulate
howard bloom:so your raw material is dream stuff
Chris Pearson:Can we just get rid of money forever?
howard bloom:the stuff deep inside of you
howard bloom:it has no weight
howard bloom:it requires not much in physical resources
Lucy Dyer:@cheis - possibly
howard bloom:it's soul stuff
Jennifer Finnell:It has "weight" in its potential, does it not?
Lucy Dyer:i cant damn well spell! lol so sorry
Kelly Carlin:So it is the invisibles behind the material that really shape and propel evolution. That seems to be what all of your writing is about!
howard bloom:so imagination is the primary resource
Ten M:To play devils advocate, technology has severely progressed since the days of Cape Canaveral, which is decommissioned right. I agree that a lot of the money was spent on bureaucracy and other handouts to contractors etc..So leads me into, what do yo.
howard bloom:we are not running out of resources
Chris Pearson:I have a feeling human innovation must first strike economic and political progress, advancement, etc.
Kelly Carlin:I love that.
howard bloom:we are running out of imagination
Chris Pearson:Before tackling the next thing.
howard bloom:yup, soul stuff
howard bloom:How I Accidentally Started the Sixties is a comic soul quest
howard bloom:but the comedy is based on and conveys deep truths
Chris Pearson:Our government and economy is pretty outdated isn't it?
Jennifer Finnell:I don't think we "run out of" imagination. we may be coerced into squelching it, though...
howard bloom:so are all the rest of my books
Ten M:Think the future of human space exploration will be, and settling colonies on other planets. The warp drive is now a technical possibility. 2 weeks to Mars.
howard bloom:even the Mohammed Code
Kelly Carlin:So true.
howard bloom:a dark and terrifying book about islam
Kelly Carlin:I don't think we "run out of" imagination. we may be coerced into squelching it, though...
howard bloom:is about how mohammed's imagination
howard bloom:has shaped a civilizationb
Kelly Carlin:Or, Jennifer - distracted away from using it.
howard bloom:that contains many smaller civilizations within it
Chris Pearson:JR W -- you mean the use of dark energy to warp space/time?
howard bloom:the eco-extremists do not want us to dream
Ten M:Yeah Elon musk has spoken about colonising Mars, and warp drives
Jennifer Finnell:Yes, Kelly. Sad either way, but important to remember that it is always there to be reclaimed upon regaining our senses. :)
howard bloom:if we dream we will eradicate species
John Baker:the systematic suppression started with getting women to smoke cigarettes
howard bloom:if we dream we will disrupt their dream of nature
howard bloom:for they dream of a nature that never was
howard bloom:and pronounce it the only acceptible reality
Jim Munro:and it was sold as liberation
Chris Pearson:They are ruining the dream environment.
howard bloom:but remember balance
Kelly Carlin:So, you're saying that we have to be willing to let go of nature as it is to let it become what it will be?
howard bloom:eco-thinkers have done incredible things
Benjamin Swartout:so we are still dealing with the flawed capitalist system exploiting people and destroying the ecosystems right? how do we co-create the dream/reality that will fix that?
howard bloom:yes, in a sense, kelly
Jennifer Finnell:Fear of change...
howard bloom:when we make a paper airplane that wee can control with a smartphone we change nature's possibilities
howard bloom:we introduce opportunities that this cosmos has literally never seen before
howard bloom:the eco extremists
howard bloom:the eco-nihilists
Chris Pearson:cosmos is a pretty tall adjective
howard bloom:want us to believe that we should mourn for the tree that that paper sheet comes from
Kelly Carlin:And I do...
Lucy Dyer:“You must unlearn what you have learned.”
Kelly Carlin:I feel connected to it...
howard bloom:but nature kills off every tree to which se ever gives birth
Chris Pearson:Mankind primarily has to let go of its misconceived role in nature.
howard bloom:and she never bothers to mourn
howard bloom:we have invented mourning
howard bloom:and it has a powerful place
Chris Pearson:We are far far far from unique.
Kelly Carlin:That is true…reminding me of my dad's routine - the Planet is Fine
howard bloom:it indicates another dream
howard bloom:the dream of transcending nature's cruelties
howard bloom:transcending death
howard bloom:a dream we will turn into a reality
Gary Shapiro:This is all quite brilliant, Howard. Would you say that nihilism is anti-nature?
Kelly Carlin:Yes, we do love that narrative, don't we? Christ anyone?
howard bloom:but if we do what we are doing noow
howard bloom:dream ourselves into decay
Jennifer Finnell:but we do still have a responsibility to care for the planet that nourishes and sustains us. Even if there is change on the horizon, we need to exist in the present, don't you think?
Jim Munro:darn - I promised myself I would try not to think of George for the whole show
howard bloom:it will be the chinese who will pick up the slack
howard bloom:and give this cosmos immortality
Chris Pearson:I liked one of McKenna's ideas that we really aren't things unto ourselves. We are a plan by the planet, to be its stewards, but maybe like a cancer that went a little demented.
howard bloom:yes, we are a civilization based on two different images of christ
howard bloom:that came from two very different jewish kids
Chris Pearson:I don't think the metaphor is too greatly off track.
howard bloom:one vision is that the meek shall inherit the earth
howard bloom:and that we should turn the other cheek
howard bloom:that came from a rude country boy in nazareth
Ten M:Yes, I like your style. I think it will be the Chinese who next rise as an Empire, but that's not connected to "one conciousness"
howard bloom:and another idea entirely
howard bloom:that we should obsess on death by the cruelest and most humiliating torture the romans could invent
howard bloom:death in extreme pain
howard bloom:slow and public death on the cross
howard bloom:that image came from the man who reinvented christianity
howard bloom:and turned it into an export item
howard bloom:st paul
howard bloom:a city boy
howard bloom:for tyre
howard bloom:a sophisticate
howard bloom:and as gary said, sophisticates often try to show how smart they aree
howard bloom:by focusing on the negative
Chris Pearson:Well, didn't Paul eschew all his previous trappings and take to life as a wandering preacher?
Kelly Carlin:And yet, he built an empire on that negative
Jennifer Finnell:gloom making us smarter again!
howard bloom:so my advice to this culture is to pay attention to jesus
howard bloom:not st. paul
Jennifer Finnell:and fear controls...
howard bloom:the kingdom of god is coming
Ten M:St Paul, miserable git by what I've heard. Always moaning about something or other, "oh, I'd better write a letter and do some more walking"
John Baker:howard bloom, youre talking about howard beale and making a product out of the misery one sees that people will buy
howard bloom:the world is about to be reborn better than ever before
Kelly Carlin:Jesus was a dreamer.
howard bloom:but the kingdom of god is coming thanks to
howard bloom:youth culture
Chris Pearson:Paul was trying to appeal to a culture that understood sacrifice and believed in atonement being necessary...?
Lucy Dyer:st paul made great cathedrals.....
Kelly Carlin:God, I hope you're right Howard. I root for consciousness everyday.
howard bloom:the youths who invent the internet, google, amazon, snapchat, facebook, and powerup, the new paper airplane
Chris Pearson:I wonder if it was preached this way because he wanted the message understood or because his own ideas were thusly biased.
Kelly Carlin:The Noosphere.
howard bloom:an airplane resurrected
howard bloom:and airplane reborn better than ever before
howard bloom:the paper ariplane of the kingdom of god.
howard bloom:toy are remarkable things, kelly
howard bloom:the reinvent our brains
Jennifer Finnell:Obviously, God wants us to fly...
Ten M:The youth will create the future is surely clear
Chris Pearson:Did Peter bow out of this? Did he agree? Did he return to his "right hand man" role even after Jesus claimed he was the rock?
howard bloom:and make us capable of radically new things
howard bloom:and i mean they change our brains literally
howard bloom:we imprint on them at key points in our lives
howard bloom:and they leave an imprint
howard bloom:in the morphology of the brain
howard bloom:each generation that plays with a new toy
Ten M:Oh yes he did a good cathedral!
Jennifer Finnell:And that's why creative play is such a powerful learning tool for little kiddos. For adults too, I think...
howard bloom:like the commodore 64 in the 1980s
howard bloom:grows up to invent new realities
howard bloom:garty marcus, a friend of mine
howard bloom:grew up with the commodore 64
howard bloom:he programmed in basic as a kid
howard bloom:when he went into neuropsychology
Jennifer Finnell:Commodore 64!!! Anyone remember Zork???
Lucy Dyer:i do!!
howard bloom:he saw the brain in terms of computer programs
howard bloom:a whole new way to see
Kelly Carlin:Playing like a child…dreaming like a child…believing in tomorrow like a child
Lucy Dyer:i think....
howard bloom:an new field came from that new kind of thnking
howard bloom:cognitive psychology
Kelly Carlin:i do!!
howard bloom:yes, and when you or gary go onstage in front of an audience on a really good night
howard bloom:your soul plays
howard bloom:with the attention the audience gives you
howard bloom:and you delight and are carried away
Jennifer Finnell:Collective energy...
howard bloom:some nights the comedy dances you and you simply watch
Ten M:If you're talking about brains as computer programs, have you seen Philip K Dick's press conference in France 1977?
howard bloom:that is the ultimate in making resources of mere soul stuff and dream
Kelly Carlin:So - giving the world permission to play and dream could be the most important work we have to do right now on this planet.
Kelly Carlin:Collective energy...
howard bloom:it is the ultimate in play
howard bloom:yes, i think so
Lucy Dyer:is that why,even tho i have a terrible singing voice,i feel flippin great after i have done my bit?
howard bloom:and that is what the spirit of the sixties was about
Jennifer Finnell:Well stated, Kelly!
howard bloom:that's, i think, a core element of How I Accidentally Started the Sixties
howard bloom:(available as an ebook from amazon.com)
howard bloom:commercial plutg
Kelly Carlin:And one last thing….
Jennifer Finnell:Howard, can we have the link?
howard bloom:ok all ears :) :)
Kelly Carlin:How did you get Timothy Leary to read the manuscript for How I Started the Sixties? I'm so curious!
howard bloom:r u typing
Lucy Dyer:alll this sci-fi talk has reminded me of a really corny joke..how many ears does captain kirk have?
howard bloom:it was an accident
howard bloom:i finished How I Accidentally Started the Sixties in 1995
Kelly Carlin:of course. lol
Lucy Dyer:he has 4 - a right ear,a left,a final front ear and an engineer
howard bloom:and wanted to get some big name endorsements from people who were famous
Jennifer Finnell:*groan* lol!
Lucy Dyer:well it made me giggle lol
howard bloom:so i wrote a letter (snail mail in those days, remember, at the time i was trapped in bed with cfs and was too weak to talk) to
howard bloom:a friend from the music industry, the manager eric gardner, who had gotten his start
howard bloom:as a roadie for the jefferson airplane
howard bloom:i wanted to see if he'd get How I Accidentally Started the Sixties to grace slick and martie balen
howard bloom:but eric wrote back and said he had a better idea
howard bloom:he was working with a guy named timothy leary
howard bloom:so i printed out the ms
howard bloom:in those days you couldn't email it
howard bloom:and sent it to eric
howard bloom:and a few weeks later i got this amazing quote
Kelly Carlin:Jennifer - link to the book http://www.amazon.com/How-I-Accidentally-Started-Sixties-ebook/dp/B00GYOTWDM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386644358&sr=8-1&keywords=how+i+started+the+sixties
howard bloom:“This is a monumental, epic, glorious literary achievement. Every page, every paragraph, every sentence sparkles with captivating metaphors, delightful verbal concoctions, alchemical insights, philosophic whimsy, absurd illogicals, scientific comedy
howard bloom:but i didn't believe it really came from leary
Kelly Carlin:Holy LSD!
howard bloom:i mean, how could it?
howard bloom:so i stewed for a few years
howard bloom:then when i could talk abain
howard bloom:a friend came over to the house
Ten M:Ah come on, I know you've got a book to sell, but we need serious debate on matters fore mentioned by the panel
howard bloom:douglas rushkoff the author
howard bloom:whose work is wonderful
howard bloom:but i disagree with every word
Jennifer Finnell:Thanks, Kelly!
howard bloom:and he brought an artyist from sf
howard bloom:deam cameron
howard bloom:turns out the two of them had sat with leary during the last months of his life
howard bloom:because i was imprisoned in the bedroom by illness
howard bloom:i had a printer next to the bed
howard bloom:i printed out the quote
howard bloom:and asked them to tell me if they thought it really came from leary
howard bloom:i mean i knew the answer
howard bloom:it couldn't possibly come from him
howard bloom:they both read it and as the did they lapsed into
howard bloom:a very strange silence
howard bloom:an absolutley funeareally dead silence
howard bloom:it took them a long time to open their mouths
howard bloom:i knew why
howard bloom:they were trying to tell me the quote was a phone without huring my feelings
howard bloom:then they finally spoke
howard bloom:"that's tim," they said, "that's tim"
howard bloom:the silence came beccause reading the words
howard bloom:brought back the feeling of being with a person you love
howard bloom:and knowing he is dying
howard bloom:so the quote was real
howard bloom:and another thing
Ten M:Well thanks for asking the question Kelly ;-P
howard bloom:when I made contact wityh doug rushkoff to check the facts a few weeks ago
howard bloom:something dawned on me
howard bloom:'i was a man stuck in a bed in very, very bad shape
howard bloom:dancing in the dreamland of comedy
howard bloom:to amuse the few friends willing to read my snail mails and respond
howard bloom:and dancing in comedy space to lift myself out of my state
Jennifer Finnell:Sometimes it's those very, very trying times that open the gateway to our own new frontiers...
howard bloom:and to amuse myself into joy
Gary Shapiro:Wow - great story! And great job, both of you. Howard deserves his name capitalized for the next Tawk :P
howard bloom:tim leary, when he got How I Accidentally Started the Sixties
howard bloom:was in the same state
howard bloom:he was dying of prostate cancer
Kelly Carlin:Sometimes it's those very, very trying times that open the gateway to our own new frontiers...
howard bloom:and he badly needed something to lift him onto a joyscaep
howard bloom:that is one reason he was so very appreciative of the book.
Kelly Carlin:Wow - great story! And great job, both of you. Howard deserves his name capitalized for the next Tawk :P
howard bloom:you got it once again, jennifer
howard bloom:crisis peels away everything we know and depend on
Kelly Carlin:Jennifer gets three stars tonight!
howard bloom:and if we are lucky we summon the spirit to invent new landscapes
howard bloom:in which we can work and occasionally exult
Kelly Carlin:THAT is why I am writing my book...
howard bloom:yes, definitely, so does gary :)
howard bloom:what is the book?
Kelly Carlin:Always. Gary
howard bloom:is it the story of your growing up?
Kelly Carlin:My book about my life growing up in the chaos and shadow of fame, comedy and the 70s...
howard bloom:ah, yes. :)
Jennifer Finnell:I'm totally downloading your book now, but also greatly anticipating future tawks!
Kelly Carlin:yes, based on my solo show.
howard bloom:it will be amazing, kelly
howard bloom:none of us know that world you grew up in
Kelly Carlin:I hope so.
Kelly Carlin:I'm totally downloading your book now, but also greatly anticipating future tawks!
howard bloom:and yet we will find ourselves in it
howard bloom:one last word
Kelly Carlin:yes. please.
howard bloom:if you do buy a copy of How I Accidentally Started the Sixties, please email me or facebook message me
Jennifer Finnell:Kelly, do you have a download link, too, or is yours still a work in progress?
Ten M:Theres a lot of loving kindness in here. That's beautiful in its own way
howard bloom:and let me know what you think of it. i'm firstname.lastname@example.org. :)
Kelly Carlin:Love that.
howard bloom:remember, it's at amazon.com
howard bloom:god what blatant promotion :)
Lucy Dyer:well i was inspired tonight. cheers!
howard bloom:but it is a wonderful book
howard bloom:it will lift you
howard bloom:no matter how low you may be.
howard bloom:like ti lifted leary.
Kelly Carlin:And I can't recommend enough the two books I have read twice of Howard's…Genius of the Beast and The God Problem.
howard bloom::) :) :) :)
howard bloom:thanks, kelly, you are good for my soul.
Kelly Carlin:So…. DREAM….PLAY…JOY…PASSION…and walk away from dystopic visions...
howard bloom:and you, too, you tawkers who have remained in the shadows
howard bloom:not to mention jennifer and gary :)
Kelly Carlin:Howard - it is always a pleasure to have frontiers within opened by your amazing mind and huge heart.
howard bloom:you got it kelly :) have a good night! :)
Kelly Carlin:Good night.
Kelly Carlin:Theres a lot of loving kindness in here. That's beautiful in its own way
Kelly Carlin:well i was inspired tonight. cheers!
Kelly Carlin:Kelly, do you have a download link, too, or is yours still a work in progress?
Kelly Carlin:Jen - I am just beginning my writing journey.
Kelly Carlin:Goodnight all. Thank you as always, for your time and attention. Enjoy the last days of the year…the light is coming!
Jennifer Finnell:Looking forward to your emergence, Kelly! :)
Ten M:Nice one!
Chris Pearson:Thanks for the Tawk :)
Blake Ian 🎶:When do we get another of these two Tawks between Kelly and Howard!? ?